potcmeme: characters 3/9 » elizabeth swann
"Let’s just pull out our swords and start banging away at each other, that’ll solve everything!"
one day, you won’t be able to resist.
see i’m not sure focusing on the word ‘pirate’ is really the crux of the matter here, it’s about what that word and that life represent to lizzie; by the end of the first movie i don’t think it really matters to lizzie whether or not she gets with a pirate. she isn’t ten anymore, she’s a grown woman with her whole life ahead of her who has decided to take her destiny into her own hands. this is bigger than wanting to drink a lot and sail around: she wants to break free from the social constraints placed upon her by others and live life the way she wants to, and this extends to the qualities she wants in a partner
okay we finally got to the point here, because previously you stated she wasn’t even suffering when i said she was living in a society who gave her zero freedom (with a permissive father or not) anyway ‘her pirate dreams’ are her only way of escaping, a bit dramatic yes but it all means freedom at the end (mentioning the drinking and the sailing were just some examples, elizabeth’s view of piracy goes beyond that, to the actual meaning of freedom, which yes, includes drinking and sailing as well)
so yeah like will is ‘technically’ a pirate, sure, but what brings them together (aside from his rescue at the start, and her kidnapping by barbossa) is their collective willingness to break rules and disregard social/gender norms and do what is right or necessary even though it might not align with what is considered ‘acceptable’
but the thing here is, Will wasn’t even willing to break any rules in the beginning of cotbp (not even calling her by her name) and it’s when he finally accepts his fate as pirate that he steps forward thus making lizzie go for him
like, in dead man’s chest her attraction to jack is exceedingly obvious, but i doubt that she was drawn to him simply because of his profession. was that a factor as far as her initial (circa cotbp) interest was concerned? sure, i don’t doubt it, that kind of detail is just attention-grabbing on its own, especially considering her pre-existing obsession with pirates/piracy, and then jack is a pretty shiny individual anyway. but she’s not attracted to (as far as straight-up canon is concerned) every professional pirate she comes across, which is good since most of them are disgusting, violent, sexist, etc (i.e. barbossa, sao feng, and so forth) and that would be a bad idea, haha.
1) but he wasn’t a pirate, she just thought he was, and obviously she realised that wasn’t the case the older she got and still liked will anyway; like of course her romanticisation of pirates (and by extension, will and the medallion) fed into her initial assumption and coloured her perception of the situation but from like ten minutes into the movie on, it’s pretty evident that lizzie doesn’t give a tinker’s curse about will being an ordinary (ha!) blacksmith instead of a pirate. also that point is p much moot since will grows to be p much exactly the rad pirate she imagined as soon as he throws all the rules out the window and breaks jack out to go and bring her back home, so, even though she was initially wrong she is def right about will eventually, she just had to wait a bit
okay i’m not sure i got your point right in here but the movie itself started with Elizabeth remembering the day Will was rescued and his pirate state and obviously she still thinks it’s important (also Will was a pirate by blood so even if he got a job as a blacksmith in Lizzie’s mind he was still a pirate)
even further, she didn’t even admit her feelings for him till he completed his journey into realizing he was indeed the pirate all along
but even further, ‘he’s just a blacksmith’ ‘no he’s a pirate’ i think the ending proves your argument wrong itself, she didn’t fell for the blacksmith she fell for the pirate
2) actually as the (white) daughter of a (white) governor of an extremely lucrative british colony in the 18th century, i’d say she had quite a lot of freedom actually, like, don’t reduce a really complex character to a romance novel stereotype ok, like lizzie was def. constricted by expectations placed upon her sex and social standing but i wouldn’t exactly say she was suffering; and tbh let’s not lie to ourselves here, do any of us really think gov. swann called any of the shots in regards to his daughter and her life, b/c rly. she freaking publicly jilts her fiancé and aligns herself with a man who the rich elites of that society usually wipe their boots on and swann is like ‘haha oh ok then be happy’ like. that says a fucking lot about the personal sovereignty she is granted within her environment
well we are talking here about pirates, drinking all along and sailing the seas freely and even by our own standards that’s a lot of freedom
obviously she wasn’t ‘suffering’ but she was suffering metaphorically when she compared that life with her pirate songs. Sure her father was pretty much permissive but that doesn’t contradict her own desire for freedom and the sea and meeting a pirate. I just can’t even understand how can we even compare her wild imagination with pirates with the actual world she was living in, even if they let her do as she wished, it wasn’t enough
how much biased are Elizabeth’s feelings for Will because of the fact she found out he was a pirate when they were little kids?
can we just take a moment to think about Elizabeth Swann as a little oppressed girl living in a society where she had zero freedom and what Will and that medallion meant to her? like practically they were the only things standing between just a ‘fantasy’ and the actual reality of her pirate world
she may have read about piracy and Jack, but the medallion she hid in her bedroom was the nearest taste she got from that world, and the fact she hid it, her little act of rebellion. And she got to interact with Will, to a pirate, the pirate she saved,in her mind just by doing so she was going against the rules and against her own world, she was having her own little taste of freedom.
Elizabeth never saw Will as the blacksmith he was, but as her little act of piracy.
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